9/7/2019 Canon Mx870 Won't Print Black
Wrote:Maybe what I'd like to know is if there is a way to encourage the use of the black dye cartridge instead of completely using up the big black tank of pigment ink. As you might suppose, I mostly print text and some web pages and very few actual photos.The black dye tank is used to complement/enhance the three colours. I don't believe there is a way to use it for text output, unless the text had uneven values and was not considered black but purple or gray. Then you would get the black mixing with magenta or cyan - producing what is called registration black.Another thing to consider is that the PG520 holds more ink than the CLI-521 Black and therefore gives you a better yield (number of pages).
So while the pricing is the same as Bruce mentioned, the PG520 would be costing you less per print for text printing compared to what the CLI521 Black would. I have the MX870, too, and there is definitely a way to do as you want. Choose the Print command in one of your open applications.2. In the drop-down list (I can't tell you which one, as they sometimes appear slightly differently in different applications), select Quality & Media.3. Put a checkmark in the Grayscale Printing box. Your selection will 'stick' until you need to change it for some reason.4. Now, to make it easier to select this in the future, go to the Presets drop-down list and select Save As.
Give your selection a name, and you will be able to switch back and forth from Standard to your own preferred method very easily. I have several Presets defined (I use duplex printing a lot) and find them very convenient. Wrote:Do you know exactly how the printer uses the big black tank vs.
My Canon Pixma MX850 printer is one of the Canon series that uses the 4 small CLI-8 color cartridges (black, yellow, blue and magenta) and then has the large PGI-5 black cartridge, which is what the printer uses when printing regular black and white text.
The smaller one? Was I correct in my initial assumption that the big black tank is used for text?Yes you were correct. The larger black tank, which uses pigment-based ink, is used for text while the smaller tank, which is dye-based like the other colours, is for images.Do you know what ink selection the printer will use if we print a page of text (from Word or Text Edit for example) and DO NOT choose Grayscale?
Complex questions but I'm just curious and would like to use my printer and ink in the most economical manner!If you printed the text document from TextEdit then it would only use the pigment black. There was an issue with Word 2004 where some 'fancy' fonts where perceived as images rather than text and consequently the dye black was used. I believe this was resolved with either the newer versions of Canon drivers - the ones made for Snow Leopard - or with Word 2008. I have the MX870, too, and there is definitely a way to do as you want. Choose the Print command in one of your open applications.2. In the drop-down list (I can't tell you which one, as they sometimes appear slightly differently in different applications), select Quality & Media.3. Put a checkmark in the Grayscale Printing box.
Your selection will 'stick' until you need to change it for some reason.4. Now, to make it easier to select this in the future, go to the Presets drop-down list and select Save As. Give your selection a name, and you will be able to switch back and forth from Standard to your own preferred method very easily. I have several Presets defined (I use duplex printing a lot) and find them very convenient. Thanks, I'll try that. I have made other presets such as duplex printing (as you have done) and also selecting the rear tray for reusing old paper that has been printed on one side.Do you know exactly how the printer uses the big black tank vs.
The smaller one? Was I correct in my initial assumption that the big black tank is used for text?Do you know what ink selection the printer will use if we print a page of text (from Word or Text Edit for example) and DO NOT choose Grayscale? Complex questions but I'm just curious and would like to use my printer and ink in the most economical manner!Regards,Steve M. Wrote:Do you know exactly how the printer uses the big black tank vs.
The smaller one? Was I correct in my initial assumption that the big black tank is used for text?Yes you were correct.
The larger black tank, which uses pigment-based ink, is used for text while the smaller tank, which is dye-based like the other colours, is for images.Do you know what ink selection the printer will use if we print a page of text (from Word or Text Edit for example) and DO NOT choose Grayscale? Complex questions but I'm just curious and would like to use my printer and ink in the most economical manner!If you printed the text document from TextEdit then it would only use the pigment black. There was an issue with Word 2004 where some 'fancy' fonts where perceived as images rather than text and consequently the dye black was used. I believe this was resolved with either the newer versions of Canon drivers - the ones made for Snow Leopard - or with Word 2008. Wrote:So for us MX870 users on a Mac, is Grayscale synonymous with Black for all practical purposes? Can we choose Grayscale to force a colored document to be printed with only black ink?In theory, using the Grayscale setting will print a document containing an image using black only. However I believe there has been several users claiming that this does not occur.
In practical terms I believe that the printer uses magenta mixed with black to make gray. So instead of using only black for an image, which would require some form of line screening which inkjets don't typically employ, the use of magenta could be occurring. I think I will have to get back to you on this after some testing because I feel that the operation of the grayscale setting could still use at least one other colour.Is there a distinction between a text document and an image document and are colors treated differently for these?A text document would typically contain no image. Yet it is worth noting that some text items, such as bullet points, are graphical and therefore can be treated by the printer as an image. So it is difficult to be completely accurate about what constitutes a text document.
But for your home use I think you would get the most yield from your inks if you did employ the grayscale setting as a default. Actually, I've realized that I may have been asking the wrong question. I just noticed that (according to my printer utility and according to the little ink icons on the printer itself) the big black ink tank (the pigment ink) is actually running low and most of the colors (including the black dye ink) are still much more full. Actually, the black dye ink seems untouched.Maybe what I'd like to know is if there is a way to encourage the use of the black dye cartridge instead of completely using up the big black tank of pigment ink. As you might suppose, I mostly print text and some web pages and very few actual photos.Thanks,Steve M. Wrote:Maybe what I'd like to know is if there is a way to encourage the use of the black dye cartridge instead of completely using up the big black tank of pigment ink.
As you might suppose, I mostly print text and some web pages and very few actual photos.The black dye tank is used to complement/enhance the three colours. I don't believe there is a way to use it for text output, unless the text had uneven values and was not considered black but purple or gray. Then you would get the black mixing with magenta or cyan - producing what is called registration black.Another thing to consider is that the PG520 holds more ink than the CLI-521 Black and therefore gives you a better yield (number of pages). So while the pricing is the same as Bruce mentioned, the PG520 would be costing you less per print for text printing compared to what the CLI521 Black would. Apple Footer.This site contains user submitted content, comments and opinions and is for informational purposes only.
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Hello, I have a Canon IPF5100 printer.My problem is that black ink won’t dry on any photo paper that I print!I have tried everything I can think of, bought a brand new set of inks, tried several different semi-gloss and glossy paper, tried many different settings for paper on the printer, and different paper profiles on the software provided (Photoshop plug in).Even after weeks, if I run my finger over the black areas of the print the ink rubs off. All other ink colours set immediately after coming out of the printer.If anyone has any ideas, please help!!!!
The only time I've had this happen was when I printed on the wrong side of the paper (with some papers it's difficult to tell), since most common inkjet papers are RC, meaning they are plastic coated on the back, so the ink has nothing to penetrate into and so can never dry.I've also had instances where it took a little time for the ink to dry. One instance was where the paper type wasn't instant dry and the ink sits on the surface of the paper instead of penetrating into the coating. This type of paper is easy to identify since the ink is easy to wipe off with water even after it has dried. The other was where the profile was wrong and the ink was being put down too heavy. This results in a wavy pattern on the paper, but it will dry eventually decreasing the wavy pattern. OP: welcome to DPR.mike earussi wrote:The only time I've had this happen was when I printed on the wrong side of the paperSame here.To check, use a barely moist finger to see if one or both side have a different degree of 'stickiness'.
IIRC, the stickier side is the TOP which should receive the ink.However, it seems very odd that only the Black isn't drying. Are you doing b/w?What Exactly is the paper you are using?Some of the Canon letter size paper I got at 95% off last December has a water-mark on the back, non printable side. Do you have some of that paper (IIRC, Platinum and maybe Luster or SemiGloss).Another possibility is that somehow you have the paper in wrong. I've had that can happen with a duplex laser printer and Avery Labels, but seems really unlikely with your Canon iPF5100.Perhaps your previous paper was double-sided? I infer the printer did work at one point, but now is uncooperative.
True?Using OEM ink? (just checking, but I don't want to assume)Still new enough to be under warranty? Checked with Canon?
(regardless of how long you've had it).?My understanding is that 'real printers' use their taste buds and actually lick the corner of the paper. Apparently, the tongue is more sensitive than our finger-tips for this. Or not?Also, it may not matter all that much on the question, but it does 'help us help you' if you will expand your DPR profile with Location and also GearList. Who knows, there might a 'Canon Service Center' in your. RGBCMYK wrote:I have used some roll paper by mistake in my epson 7800 that was designed for dye based inks and the ink never every dried. (I got the paper for free) I knew I had a problem as soon as the print came out of the printer.
It was so wet on the surface you couldn't touch it without getting ink on your fingers. This was a case of the incorrect type of paper. Not sure you can even buy sheets of dye ink only paper but I did have roll paper that you could not print pigment ink on.Recall that the oddity is only the Black ink isn't printing.I'm wondering if there could be an issue with Glossy Black and Matte Black. I'm mostly ignorant about Epson, but some of their printers require a cartridge change from Matte to Glossy. Then that ink line is purged, wasting a lot of ink.
My impression is that's not an issue with Canon wide format printers, but????BTW:It would help if the OP would participate in this thread, and if the issue is resolved, let us know. Ldallan wrote:I'm wondering if there could be an issue with Glossy Black and Matte Black. I'm mostly ignorant about Epson, but some of their printers require a cartridge change from Matte to Glossy.
Then that ink line is purged, wasting a lot of ink. My impression is that's not an issue with Canon wide format printers, but????It isn't a issue using PK with matt paper or MK with gloss paper with the ink drying but with the D-Max and gloss differential. There are even profiles when you don't want to switch.
Yes with my epson 7800 switching from PK to MK uses some ink but if you don't use the epson method it you only have to purge the single black ink line by printing some plane paper pages of just black. I bet somehow the OP got a hold of some specific paper designed for a different ink set. Ernie G wrote:I have exactly the same problem - if there is a black area it won't dry but all the other colour areas dry OK. Last night I Emailed Epson Tech support hear in Australia - will let you know the outcome- Though I don't expect much help, once the printer is sold then usually that's the end.What brand and product type of paper are you using? Epson Premium Luster) If you use a swellable gel paper (designed for use with dye inks) with a printer that's operating with pigment inks, you may run into trouble.Are you using genuine OEM ink or a third-party ink?Are you using the correct ICC profile for the specific printer, paper, and ink combination? And are you setting the proper media type in the printer driver? Both must be set correctly to ensure that ink limits are being observed.
Otherwise, too much ink may be applied, which will never dry properly.Keep us posted. As I expected Epson were not of any help.
So I decide to do some testing/profiling of my own. Using 6x4 setting (less paper waste) I printed using different media settings in Epson Easy print & found settings @ 'premium Glossy' for media & 'Vivid & clear' correction works on the generic glossy paper I use. It does take about half an hour to completely dry though.So basically I did my own profiling to find what works for me. I guess if we step out of the boundaries of Epson to save a few bucks then we have to suffer a few hours & profile our gear.PS. I also changed some settings in Printer Preferences first.
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